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Blogger, Facebook, Myspace, Flickr, Delicious...
Discuss! Who likes what? I'm a photographer, so I love Flickr. All the locals are on Myspace, All my school buddies are on Facebook, and my writer friends like Blogger.
Honestly, I dislike em all to varying degrees
+1, Myspace in partiular - yet I am forced there to maintain a certain level of contact with a bunch of friends... Who all seem to think it's the best thing in the world.. **spews**
hear hear!
Friendster's the bane of my existence....
Didn't even bother with MySpace
Ugh
you can;t say you dislke social networks yet spend time here, tangler is a social network.
"A social network is a social structure
made of nodes which are generally individuals or organizations. It
indicates the ways in which they are connected through various social
familiarities ranging from casual acquaintance to close familial bonds."
Definition of a social network. I don;t particully like a lot of social network but thats only based on design and useability.
i like friendster to a certain degree....gives me something to bitch abt to my friends when i know who's doing what with their lives...
that's me being as female as i possibly can...
I define social networks a bit differently, to me - this is just like a forum with a twist - And I wouldn't lump forums into the same category as myspace for eg.
Agree with DaRKon.... I don't see this as a social network
So I can safely say I dislike em
i hope this becomes a open-source package for many websites to use it's dynamic innovation
I mostly dislike Myspace, dislike it more than anything.
I use Facebook because my friends use it, I use it to keep in touch with them. Facebook seems to be the most clean-cut, simplest one... I'll try friendster because of all the good reception of it here, though.
Social networks start from usenets to forums , irc and much sophisticated applications like tangler, I don't like myspace because of the anaky it involves, I mean good god do you see some of those pages with the glitter and stuff I could sue them for damaging my eyesight!!!
i'm liking ning at the moment
myspace... dont get my started. "OMG WHY AM I NOT IN YOUR TOP 8?" Facebook is where its at.
Lots of discussions this week on Ning's recent product launch...
I use Blogger, Myspace and Flickr but Blogger and Flickr are the only ones I actually like using. I don't really like Myspace much. I only use it because 99% of my friends use it, and if I wasn't on there I doubt I'd go out as much.
People seem to have started to migrate over to Facebook but I've been hesitant to register. I guess I'm going to have to in the end though.
Ning looks good
I use them all but not so much myspace because I get tired of perverts sending 'rude' messages and tweens asking me how to do CSS and the ENDLESS ERRORS...its enought to drive anyone mad! You just cant keep track of people either - seriously - once you use facebook you never go back!(at least to myspace)
I'm too busy to actually use anything online - Tangler is my only proper network in which I actually keep tabs on. See how loyal I am!!
Ahem!! You listening - the powers above?
about the myspace/facebook thing.
I have never used facebook, for, even with the many evils associated with myspace, it still has it's uses. Like the ability to keep in the 'know' of multiple bands and organisations all in one place. Facebook simply seems to be a waste of time, in so far as all the people who I want to keep in contact with I will either speak to face to face, ring or e-mail; three things that take less time and are more productive than getting sucked into facebook.
agree - at the end of the day it all looks like a popularity contest to me - everyone keeps adding frens to their list but are they actually in touch with them - NO!
I hated popularity contests back in school and dun need to get into it online as well!
have you guys tried orkut out? a google acquisition as usual...but really gets the job done....no hassles...no ads.... http://www.orkut.com
I didn't get Orkut that much, but by then I was already 'out social networked'. Unless youre dating or looking to just 'have fun' it's not that great. I'd prefer to play warcraft.
true...but orkut helped me get back in touch with some realllly long lost friends....although i wouldn't vouch for it universally...it has worked for me...
1) Orkut wasn't an acquisition - one of the Googles engineers came up with it
2) Tangler is a social network 100% - I'm on a special assignment at work and have been doing a bit of networking analysis, to understand how knowledge gets shared at a big organisation, and something like this is exactly the type of thing that helped enchance peoples "informal networks". The reason being, like minded people with similar intterests can find each other - therefore building their networks.
3) Each social network appears to be dominant in different markets. For example, something like 80& of brazilians have an orkut account...and I just read yesterday, that orkut is #2 in India. Bebo is the number 1 social networking site in the UK. I have an account on each service, partly for my own understanding, and I can attest that they all have very different cultures of users.
4) Mick - it's a generational thing... Damn, I've got too much to say on this, I need to get back to work.
orkut buyukkokten came up with orkut as an "independent" project while at google - bearing no affiliation to google. google's employees have a lot of pet projects other than the 20% projects that they have within google. orkut's project wasn't a 20% project. later google "acquired" orkut from orkut buyukkoten. It was actually his idea when he was in stanford - which then "officially" became incircle when he was working with affinity. Affinity did not sue orkut when it was independent because it wasn't a business. Only after the acquisition did affinity sue google and orkut buyukkokten indicating identical bugs in both systems. Back in late 2004-early 2005 orkut was independent. it was only in mid 2005 did google take it up.
I hate orkut very boring, and apperantly no one speaks english over there !!! I feel lost most of the time..
the last time i went into orkut was when a friend of mine pestered me to join "cos it's the greatest thing on earth"
never again will i go back to that website...for the fear of getting the stangest proposals online.
Down with MySpace, Facebook, etc. I like Orkut alright, but have no use for it. I am a del.icio.us, flickr, Tangler, digg, last.fm, LinkedIn, and Mugshot usr though.
"user" Mispelled on purpose. Yes, I am a Linux fanatic.
how many social networks are there? Does that mean to be in touch with all my frens i have to suscribe to multiple networks?
NOw the trick would be to convert a facebook/orkut/friendster etc user to Tangler!!
I just closed my all social networking accounts, including orkut, mysapce, hi5, tagged, naseeb umm.. and couple more, can't remember their names
Hey! Why the closure of your accounts?
Well, because I don't use them and they are just a distraction. Keeping them means I would have to keep checking them for my "friend's" messages or they would think I am not replying on purpose and ignoring them
And also because no one adds me as a friend
I have considered closing my Friendster account.... but I ignore it so well these days, it really doesn't matter
Elias "Tangler is a social network 100%"
Their profile facilities are limited so in essence its just a glorified forum with a bit of ajax making it a bit like a chat room.
Came across this crazy story on Techcrunch:
Career Advice: Don’t Spend Half Your Work Day On Facebook And Then Brag About It
who's there?
Hiya nick!
hey!, what's happening! 11pm and I'm still working.
Time for yougurt and BSG!
2) Tangler is a social network 100% - I'm on a special assignment at
work and have been doing a bit of networking analysis, to understand
how knowledge gets shared at a big organisation, and something like
this is exactly the type of thing that helped enchance peoples
"informal networks". The reason being, like minded people with similar
intterests can find each other - therefore building their networks.
I think Tangler would work so well in workplaces. I love the idea of meeting like-minded people. It's too by chance in the real world - especially if you work in a large organisation. It would really help knowledge-building, help people find mentors, encourage sharing ideas across different business sections, encourage inspiration. ...
Yea. In my job, we say we can do x and y. But how?
Tangler would be great for local applications.
My firm (PwC) just released a 54 page analysis on social computing (sorry can't share - I'll see if I can blog some of the stats) but facinating stuff. But just thought I was share that tangler fits the definition of a social network, because it is a communications network where people interact. Having profiles, or ajax or whatever doesn't define a social network - its' the fact that people can interact. wikis for example are a social networking technology, just a different category to the myspaces.
If you could blog the highlights that would be great.
Can you email me re: costs for the report if it's available?
Other groups that might interest you;
Social Media - http://www.tangler.com/group/5143/
Social media in Pinko Marketing - http://www.tangler.com/group/2635/topic/5495/
You may have these.
I have a funny one. How about a free icon social network? It is fun to watch how people behave over free icons. Here is my referral link: http://www.iconbuffet.com/people/new?ref=anti but I don't really get anything if you follow it, just points.
What's the deal with the free icons? I don't get it
They are just icons. And they are cute. Maybe kinda like this one
or maybe not. Go figgure.
No, but that's just what I mean..... I haven't figured out what/how I'd use em
Flickr is the best WebSite ever made in my opinion!! Awesome community, UI and API! Who could ask for more? I am not very fond of any of the others yet though.. spaces.live.com has some great ideas, but not executed very well yet
I've only recently started with Flickr..... am yet to find the community
@dekrazee1: The best way to get in with the flickr community is to join groups! Find specialty groups that interest you and you are sure to make many friends and have a lots of fun, or at least I do. My flickr id is incendy http://www.flickr.com/photos/incendy
Cool! I'll add you on the next time I'm there.
I'm dekrazee1 there too
interesting. I recently started on flickr and have also yet to find the community; however, i have not joined anything yet.
Flickr, del.icio.us, and Blogger are all great. I haven't really caught on to the whole MySpace/Facebook thing yet.
From a sociological perspective, we are all members of social networks: our family network, our network of contacts at work or university, our network of friends.
It's not something from which you get a feeling of belonging - like a virtual community - but really just how we are all connected.
If anything, sites like MySpace and Facebook narrow or fracture our networks in their attempts to explicitly delineate them.
How do you think these sites narrow or fracture it?
They fracture them only in the way that each is competing for members to form their social networks using their own specific service. If there was some way of joining the networks together, it'd be ideal, but at this stage there doesn't appear to be.
In other words, we have a large social network centred around each and every one of us. Sites like MySpace, Facebook, Virb, and so on are awesome for illustrating those networks, but only for those people who are willing to join those services, too.
LinkedIn, for example, is one that doesn't work for me because the people with whom I occasionally do business or I know are in business don't use it.
Erm. Does that make sense?
Yes, it does....
But that makes the assumption that real communities are not fractured too?
Cos it looks to me like they are
You're right. They are. Possibly because they're not clearly illustrated like they would be with a website? 
A lot of people (for whom I don't have any links offhand, but, y'know, do a Technorati search or something) have been calling for a cross-network API to try and join them all together, but no dice yet, it seems.
Maybe a microformat could do the job?
I would have no idea....
But I'm not sure it'd work...
Then again, what is that supposed to accomplish?
The microformat? Not much, but I suspect someone who knows more about it would be able to answer that.
But I think getting the social networking sites to talk to each other could be a big step.
No, sorry, I meant what would bringing together all the sites achieve?
It would still be fractured..... it's just not human nature to want to belong to a 'global' community..... it takes away identity and diversity... ie we don't feel special anymore
We'd better meet the little green men from space pretty soon then ....
Yeah, that should get us together!
*waving madly @ Bric*
Hi .... be back soon in ernest... promise
You said 3 days the last time and didn't show for a week....
how long does 'soon' equate to?
Allowing social networks to interconnect would allow the users to choose the social networking "web application" that they prefer to use and be able to connect to anyone, no matter which network they use.
The key, really, is to avoid the friend-collecting of MySpace. Facebook does this fairly well by allowing the specificity of relationships between individuals.
Anyway, if everyone's connected (or at least a larger number of people) it will make it easier to see how people interconnect, and also to see who is in your "network".
e.g. I want a job in, say, community management. (;)) I don't know anyone looking for someone, but my friend works for Yahoo. His department isn't looking for someone but another department within Yahoo is. In theory, having these connections more openly illustrated should make it easier to make the connection I'm looking for. "Hey, I'm a friend of 'blahblah'" which in turn might provide me with a little extra social (or sociotechnical) capital.
Uhm. I think.
What can I say dekrazze1, but that It seemed to increase by one day for each three passing:(
But this is Tuesday morning (1:00am local) following a long weekend (we still celebrate Queen Victoria's birthday for some quaint reason) ... and so I got 'almost' caught up on everything while everybody else took in Rodeos, camping or just hit the road for the kickoff of pretending its summer....
With that said, I truly do expect to be back to a normal schedule by Friday ! We are catching up .... so see you this place a week yesterday latest!
ahhhh.... Okay, cool.... I'll just have to wait a bit more then....
We celebrate the Queen's bd too (not sure which one). The holiday for that is in June sometime....
Lexi - I get what you mean.... it's an interesting idea....
But I don't think you'll avoid the 'friend-collecting'!
I suppose what you describe is what Linked in is for..... but it takes a while to really build up the connections.... and it's almost impossible if you don't know anyone to start with
Right... LinkedIn is based on the premise that you don't collect just any links -- but rather ones that you have actual contact/communication with not just name recognition (or worse nothing at all).... Its much slower taking off, but (anectodal evidence only) I think it is starting to get some traction...
For myself, I very recently have had colleaques from two previous jobs track me down... one in Australia (from about 7 years ago that I had no idea where he'd got to) and one from my first employment who I last had contact with 30 years ago when he moved to the US...( he's now in Kentucky - about 4000 km away -- but he saw me in LinkedIn and we've had several worthwhile exchanges since)... without linkedIn I wouldn't have found either of these guys again, and its resulted in me being able to be in touch with other long lost colleagues that we had in common!
Yeah..... it takes the word of mouth 'catching up' and 'referral system' online.... no wonder it's a bit harder.
Actually, I think it might be the same as in 'real' life
The example I provided was very LinkedIn-oriented. An, yeah, LinkedIn is good for that sort of thing, assuming you know someone.
But If you don't know the relevant people, or anyone on LinkedIn, then you don't really have much luck in that space. But if LinkedIn was hooked together with Facebook, you could possibly be able to make a connection via say... the same lecturer.
Example: I'm interested in a job that is in the same department at Yahoo as Tom Coates (social software guru). I don't know Tom Coates but I went to university with someone who does have him linked through LinkedIn. Joining the networks together would reveal this connection which wouldn't be visible otherwise.
OK, so it's not like I've tried them all. To tell the truth, other than flickr (where I don't particpate that much socially), StumbleUpon is the only one I know.
But the community is the best.... it's certainly home to me!
Where's the StumbleUpon community?? I didn't know there was one!
You must join and then go to *groups*.
The majority of stumblers are there to find cool sites but a small group hangs out at the forums and it's a great community. Me thinks
Oh wow....
I can't believe I missed that!
D'oh!!
I decided to ignore the community aspect of SU - for me its all about the button
Its a magic little button
Bugger bugger bugger....
I've just realised I lost the button
Stooooopid windows
Jaiku is awesome... I love it. IMO twitter done right
Social sites reveal class divide
The research suggests those using Facebook come from wealthier homes and are more likely to attend college.
By contrast, MySpace users tend to get a job after finishing high school rather than continue their education.
Funny.... I've always thought of them as US vs UK or ugly vs pretty or teens vs adults
I haven't read the piece yet... it was pointed out to me earlier today by a colleague and I pointed out to him that Facebook got its start in life being marketed solely to college students... not suprisingly the friends they inlist to join up are either buddies from college or high school chums that went on to a different collage/uni... and the MySpace is an easy evolution from Hotmail type accounts that high school kids got to be 'private' and away from the preying eyes of parent's ISP provided email.... I suspect its too early to say that that the split reveals a true class divide --- if it remains 'pure' now that Facebook has reached saturation its original market and is spreading its wings to even people in my generation then we'll perhaps have evidence of a class divide.
Ok now I 've followed the link and acccording the BBC the study found it to be true of kids in school -- (that is kids not yet graduated hs but expected to be college bound were choosing facebook while the teenagers not expecting to go to college select Myspace in greater numbers.....
This is not what my colleague suggested in his comments to me this morning.... he got his info from a different sourcet; so I wonder which one is closer to a true reflection of what the report actually found!.
Here the original paper - wrtitten for a blog, not an academic study.
Citation: boyd, danah. 2007. "Viewing American class divisions through Facebook and MySpace ." Apophenia Blog Essay. June 24 . http://www.danah.org/papers/essays/ClassDivisions.html
from the intro:
For the academics reading this, I want to highlight that this is not an academic article. It is not trying to be. It is based on my observations in the field, but I'm not trying to situate or theorize what is going on. I've chosen terms meant to convey impressions, but I know that they are not precise uses of these terms. Hopefully, one day, I can get the words together to actually write an academic article about this topic, but I felt as though this is too important of an issue to sit on while I find the words. So I wrote it knowing that it would piss many off. The academic side of me feels extremely guilty about this; the activist side of me finds it too critical to go unacknowledged.
I think one of the comments made by a reader of her blog is very interesting:
(that is kids not yet graduated hs but expected to be college bound were choosing facebook while the teenagers not expecting to go to college select Myspace in greater numbers.....
That is exactly why I found it worth highlighting..... cos I found it really strange. I don't see what the correlation bet what kids will do in the future and the social networking site they pick
The piece really struggles with the definition of words (that doesn't sound strangely familiar does it?) it uses to describe the phenomenon...
what it comes down to is the supposition that in high school teens have already (for the most part) decided whether they are college bound or not and they start choosing the online present that they believe most closely matches this decision -- Facebook having started (and been excluse to ) Harvard and then spreading to College only before being opened to the 'unwashed masses" had the edge for people looking forward to the future of school
... the author of the piece translates this to 'social class' while admitting that this isn't the right term as choice of going to college in the US is not strictly a class issue...
I knew from grade 6 that I would be going to university... and I started working on the nearest university computer while in grade 10...if Facebook had been available then I would have been on board I'm sure.... but I woudn't have gone close to myspace (nerds and geeks being on the outside of the hs world!) So as I said, I don't see the contrast strange,,,, as I said what will be interesting is if the difference stands up a few years down the road where both have had years of 'general admission' practices under their belts...
WoW now that is interesting.... self reflection on the meaning of trust, authority, presentation.... and the meaning of life the uninverse and everything.... I hope she posts again a week or so down the road when she has had time to let it all sink in...
did you notice that the range of comments to this reflection post was slanted towards the harsh, vindictive rant.... charges of racism in her work, demands for apologies to whole ethnic communities....
Two of the comments (back to back) caught my eye as they are just about polar opposite in view:
I think it's terrific that you've kick started this discussion.
However, a lot of folks are discussing your piece as if it was a scientifically compiled report and are citing it.
You've made BBC. And a number of blogs that trend social software are saying your paper points to the doom of MySpace. The BBC, in particular, was surprising sloppy and reckless. It made it sound like your work was the definitive report you are still working through.
It's not terrific at all. It's horrible. A perfect example of amateur writing spread all over the web like crap on toilet paper. A horrible essay written by an unintelligent little girl. I can't believe the media was all over this! Ridiculous. I hope there's a lawsuit against this elitist Paris Hilton-type girl.
What up people?
Just read about this site on Techcrunch!
Heya Pcube!
Yo Pcube - habari za kazi!
How do you like it?
You (Tangler) should start a topic of "How did you hear about Tangler"
I heard via the Money feature. Love it so far but haven't really bugged friends with it yet. That's usually a friday thing.
hmmmm.... we have that topic lying around somewhere....
Hmmmn.
might it be here?
Yeah.... I bumped it up, but didn't bother pasting the link in here.
Thanks Bric
One thing I didn't see mentioned, and granted I did a very quick read, was the idea of trust and identity that is more important on Facebook than it is on Myspace.
Facebook heavily emphasizes common connections, whether through "network" or common contacts. Unlike Myspace, most users on Facebook cannot see the profiles for the majority of other users, because the network is built on commonality and trust.
I'm not quite sure what this says about class, but I think it's important. One thing that gets drilled into the minds of college students and 20-somethings is the idea of "networking" and "building your network." The idea is very middle/upper-middle class - that other people, not applications (forms, processes, etc) are the key to your professional and personal success.
Facebook successfully translates that by using common factors to allow users to see other user profiles - either geography, school, or workplace. Another important factor is that, by and large, Facebook profiles have the user's full name displayed. Using real names gives users extra pause in deciding whether to establish trust relationships with other users.
Myspace, by contrast, does not employ these features. Again, I'm not sure exactly what that says about class, but I think that the identity and commonality factors are important.