added del.icio.us popular RSS feed via By URL and in Advanced | Rate your sources I have two feeds: "del.icio.uspopular" and "del.icio.us popular"

but in Feed Adapter and Manage my Feeds there is only one instance

this would be because at some time somewhere the source was called 'del.icio.uspopular' and therefore the source rating system has accounted for it 

we will improve it over time so that sources that are no longer active are automatically removed or it lets u delete them

ok. I also have an "Ad" source in "Rate your sources" which I didnt add

yes this is the Touchstone ad system 

which will eventually include some context sensistive ads

I put it on Strongly dislike

unless u get a pro version

haha 

i am sure you have

suggestion: scrollin ticker bar via mouse - like click and drag mouse to left to move over some items quickly. with some inertia would be cool also

Have considered that one - would not be easy haha

annoyance: Options windows resize when changing from advanced to basic and back (I resize to get the event loggin bigger)

Yeah that is a little annoying I agree!

yeah so you saw my post in the tangler feedback thread.  if i plug my email address into particls site the confirmation email has touchstone as the sender and zookoda as the confirmation link text

oh right

good catch

will fix now

Fixed!

Thanks for that Gus 

suggestion: possible to search old items that were in the Ps stream ? how long they are stored in cache.tdat ?

any comment on last line ?

hi

I *think* the cache is stored permanently

but at the moment there is not an interface to look at it

hmm, as it is a sqlite3 database, maybe we can take a look

maybe have a talk with Ashley first - he will be able to tell you more about it -

another possibility is that you could write an output adapter

that stores the items above a certain value and release that

only if the make the SDK work with other languages than .NET

what language do you want ?

C / Ruby

I am not sure what is happening with the SDK and other languages

ok, SQLite Analyser opens the database and I can look at the items. ihaa

I have to head off now - its middle of the night here (in Australia) - mayby add Ashley as a contact and he may have some more detialed answers

ok cool - I hope you made a copy of it first

just in case

of course

cool - tty

good night

hmm, update version is coming. please add a progress bar

0.9.1457 release note is using touchstone -> 404 link

replaced with particls - works

TBD - Items are outputted to RSS via Pebbles

So again - you could make a ruby app to capture people's RSS and allow them to search on it from the web 

Chris - yeah, but this is kinda scratchin your left ear with your right hand. I want to look at all items in the database. and opening the database allowed me that

haha sort of - but that's how mashups are made - we are only a small team and can do only so much - that's why we have spent a lot of time creating extensibility points..

true. and that's why we are coming in - the users that want to extend

I want to test why I dont have any items displayed - Ps is filtering too much ?

maybe I  should get my whole GoogleReader feeds and see then

yeah the items are probably too old or uninteresting 

how many feeds and watch words do you have

5 feeds and 11 words

but I didt saw any del.icio.us/popular items even if it had words inside the title

depends on a few things - when it finds something interesting it will display it

if u want more contnet displayed u need to give it more feeds/watchwords or set interruptions to high 

it is possible to have it displayed which words matched an item that arrived in Ps stream ?

that is a feature we have on the roadmap

cool. if you add C/Ruby to making plugins you will have a very happy user

do u know any C# developers? 

nope

ok 

it is possible to config how old an item should be before dropping it ? for example I want links from delicious to not drop even if they are 10 days old

An item's age is only part of the calculation used to drop the item 

What we do is use the Personal Relevancy of an item to decide which items should appear ON the ticker, and then we use the Personal Relevancy number to determine when it should be removed from the ticker

So the short answer is no

not yet no

unless you write your own output adapter that caches items

Haha - TBD you will be happy to hear we have started talking about Ruby support for input adapters

we are thinking that we could make it so that we create a folder where any app could drop an XML  file or RSS feed in it, and Touchstone would suck the XML into itself and proccess the items

but it is a number of deliverables away

ruby based output adapters would need to be based on the Pebbles RSS feed - that's what it is designed for

Do u know techmeme TBD?

yeah, i know techmeme

the thing with Pebbles is that it outputs to your server than I need to get the data back to access it. bit cumbersome

also dont like the redirects when I click on the item in the News ticker

But a Ruby app would be running up on the web anyway presumably - so accessing an RSS feed is not really a big deal is it?

Something we really want to do is create a Techmeme/newspaper type view of the Pebbles RSS feed so people can check their Touchstone items from work etc on the web 

let me know if you are in for helping with that

yeah. but that is Ruby/Rails. I am talking plain Ruby. but it is a good idea to have newspaper view

let's do it

gotta go now. talk later

Sounds good - let me know when u got some time and we can talk more

/me back. let's see what we can do

do we move to Particls Plugins/Adapters/Extensions ?

good idea 

I just had a nifty idea on refining keywords to search/block. Sorry if it's already been mentioned but it's 1am and I'm lazy right now (^_^)

 I'd like to be able to click on the preview for each link in the ticker (and see a little more text honestly), and see what keyword(s) brought up that link.  

I want that too!!!

So many time I look at something and I find myself trying to figure out what brought this up, why is it showing 

that is something that we are thiking of doing - having keywords highlighted so that you get an idea of why this is interest to you

Yeah.... cos I went and imported my whole google reader thingy, and things just got too complicated after that

it should be simpler then google reader - you import your feeds and PArticls will show you what you are interested in

where were you finding it confusing ?

It just kept showing me all the stories... and I couldn't manage it.... I don't want to know when there is a new google video... (I have a lot of subscriptions). Also, the ticker would show the same story from many sources. Sometimes I saw a story I had no idea how it got there. (Which is why I agree with Fiz's suggestion) Just got too much to handle.

I need to take some time and play with it somemore, but I just haven't had the time as yet

what is happening there - is that its catching up on your old news - let it run for a while and it will calm down

you can also reduce the priority of the ticker - (or any othe radapter) so that it only shows you imporatnt  / very importnat alerts

Oh, and another thing was that what particls had shown me would still show up in Google Reader..... and I can't use particls at home, so it all got too out of sync etc

and you can rank your sources up and down

the things that particls shows you will still show up in google reader

why cant you use particls at home ?

Don't have a fast connection at home.

That thing where it isn't in sync with G Reader was a big turn off for me 

I didn't like going back into Reader and seeing the stuff I'd already seen

there is no way that we can affect what google reader shows you

Yeah, I realise that....

I just had to make a decision based on my habits right now 

the idea is that particls isnt meant to replace your email / news reader

its meant to alert you to the higher priority things

hmmmm.....

I'm not sure abt that (possibly cos what I have in my reader are mainly high priority)

Like I said, I have to use it again and for a longer period of time 

yep - give it a try and we can help with it

Hi Dekrazee - there are some user experience questions around ur main reader and particls syncing up - - the reality is that google doesn't like to play nice so we will have to find other ways 

i wonder if you can log in and act on behalf of the user 

Also if you are getting too much news from your feeds, you can rate certain sources down and they will appear less in the ticker.. In the next couple of builds you will be able to right click on items and mark the source down right there 

I'm going to be calling u Rai from now on if u dont mind - much more personal

and a lot easier to spell

that too hah

hahahaha or you could call me dek (whichever you prefer - I'm cool with anything)

 there are
some user experience questions around ur main reader and particls
syncing up - - the reality is that google doesn't like to play nice so
we will have to find other ways 

i wonder if you can log in and act on behalf of the user

I don't understand.... does that mean I'll be asking Google to get its act together to make my life easier? 

ok, can I do a google reader integration plugin ?

it is quite simple

you think?

what sort of integration do u think you can do 

you can get the stream of unread items and feed as an RSS to Ps

but the sync wont go back the other way 

i beleive Google reader already has a stream of unread items - but it does not have an api to mark items as read inside google reader (or does it) 

checking

got my info from - http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2005/12/google_reader_a.html

TBD that is amazing 

could you make an app that ran seperate to Particls that synced the google reader subscription list with the Particls OPML file

and if we can give you an RSS feed of items the user readers, you can try to mark them as read in google reader (or vice versa) 

didn find out how to mark items read in GR

but I think the other way round is more doable

subscription list is doable though right

also we can get the tags from GR and use them as words

that is brilliant 

i can give you a command line proccessor API where ur app can send commands to Particls

that will be great !

ok

awesome 

well basically you can get the opml/subscription list from google reader and send it to particls as an 'important this opml file' 

and u can get the tags/lables from GR and pass them on as commands to add them to Particls as well

i guess all u need is the user's GR un/pw

we can also give u a command to mark items as read by permalink - so if u can get read items from GR and pass them as read items too that would be great

saw that you can use URL auth - didnt check it yet

ok cool

I get my user ID via FireBug (best thing since sliced bread)

note that for OPML import we should auto-exclude feeds we already have - so u dont need to do dupe checking

Same with tags/labels

Same with Mark items as read 

nice. less work for me

yeah we have gone to great lengths to handle duplicate checking inside the engine

an input adapter, for example, could spam us with the same item, but the user will only see it once

if the app works well - we can/will bundle it if u want us to

sure. no probl

a rails app just runs natively though yeah? no execution engine required 

hey did u know there is a .NET ruby implementation 

u could use it to make Ruby based .NET adapters 

rails needs a ruby engine

as every ruby stuff

sorry I meant Ruby

what i am asking is whatever ur making - will it will run itself or will we need to install another runtime for it

urgh, dont like stuff that needs runtimes (including .net) ... so my stuff will be one small exe

Ruby makes an exception though

ok great

do consider looking into Ruby.NET though 

if it could be a proper adapter then it will be easier for us to deploy it and auto-update it etc 

I dont have time to learn .NET, so check http://plas.fit.qut.edu.au/ruby.net/Download.aspx to see if you suits you. if yes, then I can make the ruby code

That's the Ruby.NET stuff isn't it? 

it seems that it compiles Ruby code to .NET clr

yeah

thats what i am saying 

but anyway - whatever is easy for u - dont want to get hung up on the technical stuff

there is a command line processor that u can access from the browser, from the shell or as an adapter raising a method

so its very flexible 

the Ruby Compiler is a commandline proggie that executes .rb files. why it is called a compiler I dont know

bit slow for my taste though

okies

oops. silly me - it can create an .exe too

which need 1.2mb of DLL files

can it create a .net DLL also? 

"
Statically compile a Ruby source file into a .NET library file, eg test.dll"

cool 

well chances are u can create an adapter somehow

this does not need to be an adapter though 

works just as well as a seperate application sending commands to p 

just a little less integrated

yeah. wish you had used C/C++ for Particls

than we didnt saw 50mb mem usage at startup))

lol first u want ruby now u want C 

C# is the same as C but better

everything that's great with C and Java combined and improved

not for me ... I am more machine related.

haha ok then

drat. I installed .NET 3 to see an application and now Particls doesnt start anymore

uninstalled and saw that I only have an older install as I dont know where the update saved the download file. so here we go, downloading again the install

damn .NET 

also I am unable to make Peebles work - now is again in Pause mode

were you able to get pebbles out of pause mode

its odd that Particls didnt work with .net 3 as .net 3 should be backwards compatible

yes. I can get it out of Pause mode but it does not send any data

I think .NET 3 install did something wrong - I've lost the icon on the particls.exe as well

maybe unistall particls - reboot - reinstall

that fixes most windows problems

this is what I did. now I have 0.9.1457 working

excellent

Is there a way to pause a feed? I am running the Web 2.0 Expo edition and there a bunch of great feeds but I need updates on my custom feeds as a priority. Can we pause some feeds that I might come back to later?

hi

you could lower the source - but it may mean that you could loose some articls

or the better thing to do might be to increase the priority of your custom feeds

I don't think you can start/stop/pause individual feeds at the moment, but if you see a headline you are interested in, you can grab and pull it off of the ticker and save it for later.

u r right adam you can not pause a feed at teh moment

Yeah, that would be good though. <div>I've always said that it needs really really good volume control. You get me by volume?</div>

you can rate your sources up and down and your keywords (in the advacned tab)

Woah. html spilliage

I thought you must have copied that and pasted tat in

GTG - TTYL

Being able to micro-manage all of the feeds individually like you can the feeds as a whole would be a nice feature. Pause, Stop, Start individual feeds, or have some feeds scroll quicker or slower than others.

Hi Adam, pausing feeds is a nifty idea - will put it on the wish list for you

Most of the speed features can be handled through the feed ticker advance options along with other customization options.

But it is a little to geeky for non-geeks who are too afraid to test the settings.

I suggest adding some nice non-geek buttons for option settings.

That's a good idea - what are the key features do you think and where is an easier place to put them up-front

By the way, you really need to like ... auto-respond when people say they want C or Ruby:

C++ is a first-class .Net language, you've always been able to write .Net apps in C++ (yes, C++, not C, but hey, the API is object oriented, so that's that).

Ruby has several "bridge" projects and there's even a Ruby Compiler for .Net available from Gardens Point:

• The compiler can be used to statically compile a Ruby source
  file into a verifiable .NET v2.0 assembly or it can be used to directly execute
  a Ruby source file (compile, load and execute). The implementation is not yet fully
  complete, but it does pass all 871 tests in the samples/test.rb installation
  test suite of Ruby 1.8.2.

Hey good point Jaykul! Can you tell TBD in the Plugins/adapters/extensions topic

should add it to the developers Wiki also  particls.pbwiki.com