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    This is it - The riddle of doom; the big tamale; la grande énigme.

    No hints, no clues, if you're desperate bribes may be considered.

    Have fun!

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    Before you can find the answer you must first find the question.

     

    35 23 14 47

    4 16 36 37 26 34 26 14

    2 16 34 13 13 12 39

    3 26 34 14 24 18

     

    2009-07-02 06:01:46.0

    Is it religion related?
    Do the numbers represent letters of the alphabet?

    Does no clues mean that you won't answer these questions? Or that you only want yes/no questions?

    2009-07-02 16:47:27.0

    Under the assumption that numbers = letters, and the first part is a question
    Questions start with (usually) who what where when and why
    Assume the first word is WHAT and end up with
    WHAT   [4 16 36 37 26 34 26 A]  [2 16 34 13 13 12 39]  [3 26 34 A 24 18]
    means that 26 would likely be an I or an E (second word ending with I_IA or E_EA
    I could be completely on the wrong track and my brain isn't working right, but it's something...

    2009-07-02 17:01:07.0

    Is it religion related? no

    Do the numbers represent letters of the alphabet? yes

    Does no clues mean that you won't answer these questions? Or that you only want yes/no questions? no, yes

    puprad - no

    2009-07-02 21:23:32.0

    Does 1 number = 1 letter?

    i.e. Is the 14 in the first line the same letter as the 14 in the last line?

    2009-07-02 21:36:36.0

    yes

    2009-07-02 21:41:43.0

    I should mention that you only get a point for posting the answer, not the question.

    2009-07-02 21:57:57.0

    Is there a pattern behind how the numbers are chosen for each letter?

    or

    Is the number for each letter chosen randomly?

    2009-07-02 21:58:44.0

    Is the number for each letter chosen randomly? no

    2009-07-02 22:21:56.0

    first number 35 - will this be 1 number with 2 digits and 2 alpha letters or 1 alpha letters or 1 word?

    OR 1 digit=1 number=1 alpha letter

    or every line is 1 word?

    so for 26 char, numbers of 1-47 are chosen

    2009-07-03 03:09:31.0

    Or are we looking at something as simple as a=1, b=2 c=3... y=25, z=26, a=27, b=28 etc. but obviously not starting where I did, maybe off by 13 or something?
    And what do you mean by "puprad - no"  I've been more insulted in my life.
    Was I correct in surmising that it was a question?
    Was I correct in guessing the first word?
    Was I correct in guessing the options for the first word?
    Was I write in anything that I said?
    Is there a God?
    Does he see what I do when the lights are out?
    Is he mad at me?

    2009-07-03 03:21:56.0

    no

    2009-07-03 03:50:43.0

    does the 'question' read like it is represented?

    or is it backward/scrambled somehow

    is there a linear relationship between the letters and numbers

    2009-07-05 20:58:41.0

    does the 'question' read like it is represented? yes

    is there a linear relationship between the letters and numbers. hm... please clarify

    2009-07-05 22:08:48.0

    can you apply the same formula to each number to get the letter

    i.e. Letter = char(0.5x)

    so 2 = A

        4 = B

    2009-07-05 22:31:54.0

    Do the numbers relate to individual letters?ie 4 letters in the first line

    Or are they words? ie 4 words in the first line

    2009-07-06 00:48:51.0

    can you apply the same formula to each number to get the letter. NA (not answerable - i can't give a yes or no answer to that question)

    Do the numbers relate to individual letters?ie 4 letters in the first line. yes

    2009-07-06 05:16:57.0

    Going from original text to coded numbers, do you always get the same number from each letter? And in reverse the same letter from each number?

    Or is it more complex than that?

    2009-07-06 07:29:52.0

    yes, you do

    2009-07-06 23:08:09.0

    I'm assuming the numbers are delimited by spaces, so it should be read as "thirty-five, twenty-five, fourteen, forty-seven" and hence a 4-letter first line. Correct?

    I'm also guessing that each line is a separate word. Also correct?

    2009-07-07 09:59:32.0

    Does the question mentioned belong to a particular category (history, movies, politics, etc.)?

    2009-07-07 12:55:46.0

    does the first word start with w?

    does the first word start with wh?

    does the first word start with whe?

    is the first word when?

    2009-07-07 16:17:17.0

    does a higher number mean a higher value letter?

    I.e. if A = 14 does that mean Z would have a higher number then 14?

    2009-07-07 16:21:42.0

    If all we were given was "35 25 14 47" and told it was a four letter word, would we be able to figure it out?

    Or do we need the rest of the puzzle to guess it?

    2009-07-07 20:28:22.0

    No (to all the above... except trlo's question, which would theoretically be yes in any circumstance in any riddle)

    2009-07-07 23:43:55.0

    Numbers in the coded message range from 2 to 47, wider than the 26 letters of the alphabet we all normally use. So, are you...

    a) Using a different alphabet

    b) Using more symbols than just the 26 letters

    c) Encoding capital letters separately from lower case letters

    d) Leaving gaps in your set of numbers (i.e. there are numbers between 2 and 47 that don't code for any letter/symbol)

    2009-07-08 10:12:22.0

    no

    2009-07-08 10:15:47.0

    Huh... thought I'd ruled out the other option earlier... sounds like there must be more than one number coding for some letters.

    If you're using the normal alphabet, and not any other symbols, and not separating upper/lower case letters, then you've got precisely 26 letters to work with. Yes?

    If you've got numbers that run between 2 and 47, and every number between 2 and 47 codes for a letter without any that aren't involved, then you've got more numbers in the system than letters, and must have some duplicate entries - cases where two different numbers both code for the same letter.

    But you also said that when you encode the letters, each letter always codes to the same number. That doesn't square up with the code being able to translate 26 different letters into 46 different numbers.

    2009-07-08 11:34:59.0

    Is is a similar thing to the 35 being the 3rd row, 5th column on a keyboard or press the 5 button 3 times on  a mobile?

    2009-07-08 13:30:51.0

    does a lower number mean a lower value letter?

    I.e. if A = 47 does that mean Z would have a lower number then 47?

    2009-07-08 18:47:36.0

    are the letters worked out with a numerical formula?

    are the letters worked out with a set of instructions/directions/physical process?

    2009-07-08 18:50:37.0

    Do you start at A and count your way through the alphabet until you reach the desired numbered letter?

    Or, using the above method, but not necessarily starting at A?

    2009-07-09 01:05:13.0

    Am I right in suggesting that there are no forms whatsoever of punctuation?

    2009-07-09 01:07:56.0

    Is is a similar thing to the 35 being the 3rd row, 5th column on a keyboard or press the 5 button 3 times on  a mobile? Yes

    are the letters worked out with a set of instructions/directions/physical process? yes

    Am I right in suggesting that there are no forms whatsoever of punctuation? yes

    the rest: no

    2009-07-09 08:11:55.0

    Undecided Physical process eh

    Still wondering if that allows you to have a letter for all the numbers from 2 to 47, whilst maintaining a 1-to-1 mapping from number to letter, but I guess I can't tell for certain without knowing what process you're using.

    2009-07-09 08:36:03.0

    Thinking more, I still have the same issue here.

    You've said 'no' to there being gaps in the code-outcomes between 2 and 47, you've said that each letter always codes to the same number and that each number is always code for the same letter, which precludes there being multiple numbers coding for the same letter, and yet there are only 26 letters to find codes for.

    Doesn't matter what the process is, something in the above paragraph is wrong because those things can't all be true at once. Unless of course there's something fundamental I'm missing... always possible.

    2009-07-09 08:39:59.0

    lkgs
    4 morning
    2 midday
    3 night

    2009-07-09 10:58:24.0

    ^ translated from a mobile phone... cant quite work it out though. LKGS stands for nothing (first thing that came to mind was pounds and kilos, am i close?) but i googled it and its a marketing company, as well as an acronym for Lippen-Kiefer-Gaumen-Segelspalten (German: Lips, Palate, Jaw-sail Columns)  to which makes no sense..

    2009-07-09 11:00:14.0

    it's legs. my bad

    2009-07-09 11:00:33.0

    i wrote it down, and can't read my own writing sometimes... Embarassed

    2009-07-09 11:01:03.0

    still makes no sense lol

    2009-07-09 11:01:19.0

    lol

    2009-07-09 11:01:28.0

    does it relate to time?

    hmm

    2009-07-09 11:02:10.0

    Before you can find the answer you must first find the question.

    So is the question: What has 4 legs in the morning, 2 legs at midday, 3 legs at night?

    2009-07-09 11:04:31.0

    yes

    2009-07-09 11:05:20.0

    yes to what?

    2009-07-09 11:07:40.0

    are these 'legs' the same every single day?

    2009-07-09 11:10:58.0

    does it relate to shadows?

    2009-07-09 11:24:21.0

    You be kidding me... "What has 4 legs in the morning, 2 legs at midday, 3 legs at night?" is ancient...

    Is the answer a baby/man/old guy with a cane

    2009-07-09 12:11:34.0

    Sidenote, there are numbers that will produce no letter as output, such as 42, or any thing with 2 digits that ends with 1 :P

    And the code covers more than the 26 letters - 10 numbers brings you up to 36 symbols, plus the no-output numbers (11, 21, 31, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 48) gives the 46 numbers between 2 and 47

    2009-07-09 12:13:22.0

    I thought that sk... i also thought of a table...

    2009-07-09 12:21:27.0

    is it snoopy lol

    2009-07-09 12:24:11.0

    ...or garfield :P

    2009-07-09 12:26:45.0

    but yeah, i think sk is right, i'm sure i've heard it before somewhere...

    2009-07-09 12:27:13.0

    #sorry, forgot to pause for another "superking is overthinking things again" moment#

    carry on...

    2009-07-09 12:28:38.0

    I'm not overthinking, I'm nitpicking :P

    And the riddle is old, it's the "Riddle of the Sphinx" from Greek mythology.

    2009-07-09 12:30:21.0

    correctamundo SK. You get the point

    2009-07-09 19:15:08.0

    oooh... evil snipe

    2009-07-09 21:05:54.0

    yeah... *grumble grumble* next time i'm letting you stick to your crazy formulas, until i work it out.. :P

    2009-07-10 02:21:57.0

    Ah, so it was the phone thing. Just a shame I didn't have time to follow it up properly Frown

    2009-07-10 10:57:19.0

    Yeah, I bet you feel even more robbed than me! ;)

    2009-07-12 05:42:30.0

    Teamwork is a wonderful thing! You were both very generous to SK

    2009-07-13 01:10:03.0
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