Is anyone interested?

Here is Ashton Mills ten reasons not to get it; Here is the first one-

1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's no need to yet either.

We're going to the launch next week at the Museum of Contemporary Art down at the harbour. Apparently it's going to be big. Free muffins!

I'll take muffins over Vista any day!

(esp if they're blueberry) 

Vista's coming, so how should PC users handle it?

I'm loving it so far... but you do need a pretty new machine to run it on.

The rolling versions of files (you can scroll through old versions of documents etc) is just amazing the first time you see/need it.

There are just so many little other things that I'm finding. It's great

From the link posted by Mick:

6. Applications that don't work -- there's been plenty of coverage about applications that won't work without a vendor update. These include anti-virus, backup and security software such as those from Symantec, Sophos and ilk; CD and DVD burning tools like the suite from Nero need updated versions to work; and even basic disk management and partitioning tools such as Paragon's Hard Disk Manager are awaiting an update for Vista to be compatible. How many more will fail as Vista enters mainstream? Even Firefox has issues with Vista.

Have you found this to be the case Marty? 

There's certainly a market for it. I think most of what they did with this release was try and bring some of the more buried functionaltiy out in the open (much as they did in the Office set). I'm not so sure they did a great job (as I still think it's harder to navigate than XP, although this is probably because I'm used to XP).

The sheer new appearance will bring most XP users over to the upgrade. And of course the "enhanced security 

which probably won't last long. I think they're doing more and more integrating of Microsoft Products. Mainly the new security applications, and parental controls which are built completely into the operating system. I think many novice users will pay the extra money for Microsoft's OneCare, and Family Safety products. (I don't think Family Safety's been released yet, but it's basically parental controls for the internet).

I think the new Office Package is by far their biggest (perhaps only) innovation. I've shown the software to numerous people who see features they've never even used before. Things which were so buried under the Word/Powerpoint/Excel menu system that they never noticed them. 

The pricetage for Vista is SO ridiculously high, however, that I anticipate many people will not want to upgrade. At first, only the people with new computers or hardcore Microsoft Fanboys will have the OS. But as Microsoft always does, they'll put it on pretty much all new computers and it'll slowly saturate the market.

well, most of the early adopters are action pack or msdn subscribers (like us). So we get it all for free.

And no, all my software is working fine.

Tips for which Vista you want;

LOL

my home computer has been upgraded for over a month on Enterprise to Vista - but my main issue is that Bigpond hasn't done their internal checks on it and therefore, they can't support it.  So when my wireless stopped working, they couldn't tell me how to get it back on track, and I can't find anywhere on Microsoft.com that will tell me how to re-configure. Not that this is a support network, but any ideas?!

what problem are you seeing?

(maybe we should start a computer support group?)

I'll get vista free from powertogether, but only to run in Parallels in OS X

how is parrallel for win support? everything work ok?

what about directx?

just for your info http://www.tuaw.com/2007/02/01/vista-eula-forbids-virtualization/

quote:

"This means that if you want to run Vista on Parallels, and want to keep
within the terms of the EULA, you'll need to buy either the Business or
Ultimate versions, whose EULAs allow for virtualized use."

forgot to add, atm vista doesnt work with parallels, but they working on it. bootcamp works

Windows Mobile 6 to be launched on Mon

Class Action Suit: Microsoft Used Deceptive Marketing

It's getting harder for Microsoft to justify buying new versions of its software.

who buys it anyway... (sorry...) 

Good point

I'm basically hoping for Vista to crash and burn (or be replaced by the next iteration of Windows) before I have to use it.

I like unix.

Anyone using Real VNC on Windows Vista? I'm trying to get it to work.

Nope. Not me. I'm considering installing vista on my mac.....

Laptop came with Vista (but not 'WORD' which is a pain) and like Marty says there are so many little things that make it great.

I don't know that all the Apps don't work, I've not had all that many problems with it/them. Nero for example works fine. In fact for me, really fine.

Though it took some time to get it sorted  and FF was dead, which was a bummer, (had to use Explorer for a time) that is solved now.

 Not using Real VNC though.

I'm really happy with Vista. So nerrrr....  lol

Still, there is nothing that you cannot do just as well on XP.  (The installed games are way cooler though) So Vista isn't that much of an imperative, and unless you are upgrading your hardware, I wouldn't bother just yet, until they get all of the bits right.

It came without WORD???

Word doesn't normally come with Windows.. the OEM might install it but they'd probably charge you for it

wow....

It's like selling shoes without laces.... or a pen without ink

Yeah it was a shocker. And I didn't realise, but Super-King is right.

But  then again I'm an idiot.

Then, it would seem, so am i...

You get notepad included within Windows, that's kinda like Word lite 

I think if they bundled Office into Windows there would be lega implications, in Europe they have to offer a special version without Windows Media Player because of concerns that it denies the competition a chance.

That and the fact that Office is a bigger cash cow than Windows, and if they can charge for it separately then they will

If they bundled Office into Windows they'd either have to charge a lot more for Windows, which would push OEM computer prices up and probably mean they make less money in the long run, or sell Office for the same kind of profit margin as they sell Windows for, and to OEM companies that is not a lot at all (to make sure that all new computers come with Windows installed and no-one ever has to think about the alternatives)

Either way, Office 2007 is really nice - a nice upgrade from 2003. (as opposed to XP to Vista - which is kindof not needed) 

that cartoon is totally true some of what vista does now mac osx has already done before and moved on

> Super-King

Unless I've misundrstood you (again  ) you don't get the note pad withVista either.

 Yes it's harsh out here in the wilds.

 But I'm no wizard 'bout this stuff.

mm.. no, notepad is still in Vista as far as I know

Notepad = basic text editor in the same way as Paint = basic image editor and the calculator is there so you can do basic maths

Vista is excellent 

No, never used any notepad in vista other than that I have imported from elsewhere. Maybe I am an idiot, and missed it.

omg. You get Notepad ... and Wordpad too (which is much more like Word).  Just press the Windows Logo key, and type "notepad" or "word" and hit enter. You even getInternet Explorer ... which lets you browse to http://docs.google.com ...

But honestly, who uses that stuff?  Just install OpenOffice.org.

I use notepad, paint and the calculator when I want something that will load up right away. They're the simplest tools in the system but useful for quick note-taking, or sketching myself a quick diagram when I just need to have something to temporarily hold part of something I'm thinking about.

Plus, within their limited function I'd say they're easier to use than the equivalent proper software, so if all I want to do is scribble something with the paintbrush or make a quick plain-text note to myself, and the software loads faster and is easier to do that with, then why the hell not?

I do however agree that OpenOffice > MS Office, I just wish I'd learned all the features of OOo in the first place (like using forms in Calc, all I wanted was a simple combo box, which cannot be a hard thing to achieve, but I've only ever learned how to do it in Excel so I'm looking in the wrong place to setup the input and cell link and stuff)